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Erasmus
Lion King
Joined: 27 Jan 2004
Posts: 1047
Location: Australia
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 Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2005 2:21 am Post subject: Re: junior wept hysterically |
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| skiddum wrote: | | Erasmus wrote: | | polarcap1 wrote: | | In the NT Jesus steps in and prevents a woman from being [stoned]. |
Spoilsport. Can't a girl be left to relax? :wink: |
No, Erasmus, you "aren't" stoned, one isn''t "being" stoned, whatever...you are getting stoned...she was getting stoned... |
Since this is a theological point upon which the future of western intellectual development could depend, I'll pursue it with all diligence.
Imagine a Biblical translater or copyist, making his marks by candlelight in a dank and smelly stone chamber buried somewhere in a foreboding monastery. Now, could it not be the case that a trace of wax splattered onto the word (in Aramaic, Greek or whatever) "getting", changing its appearance to "being"? Or that he had been down with a passing case of the Plague the week his class was studying the difference between the passive and active cases? I mean, how can we be so certain? |
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moses's_bulldog
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Joined: 08 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2005 6:40 am Post subject: |
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I have to leave for work soon but I was curious about the whole "spank" issue. Although I am not a huge believer in psychology as a whole in some cases I think they have valid findings. For example, one must ask how effective the various 240 plus conflicting methodologies of counseling psychology are in changing man. Given the social disentegration of the USA post 1960 I think asserting psychology is a pablum for mankind ills would be hard to maintain (I am not saying that the 1950's were a "paradise on earth" and that I long for the 1950's. However, I know James Dobson the psychologist is a big believer in spanking.
Anyways, below is what I found in regards to psychology/spanking based on a quick review of the issue:
NY TIMES
Findings Give Some Support to Advocates of Spanking
By ERICA GOODE, New York Times, August 25, 2001
http://www.contemporaryfamilies.org/public/articles/change46.htm
DOBSON
| Quote: | Focus on the Family promotes painful spanking...
Focus on the Family claims the study was severely flawed. The group said "at least eight previous studies have concluded spanking is actually beneficial when used in proper balance."
TAKEN: http://www.nospank.net/fasi.htm
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Also:
Focus on the Family Defends Parents' Right to Discipline
http://www.family.org/welcome/press/a0021264.cfm
I believe the no-spankers are wrong and it would not be the first time the Bible was right and the scientific consensus was wrong.
I cite:
The Bible Versus the Scientific Community Consensus http://www.christian-forum.net/index.php?showtopic=1069
I do not believe psychology is not the only health care discipline with dubious practices.
I cite:
A LOOK AT CURRENT MEDICAL SCIENCE
Anthony L. Rosner, Ph.D. wrote regarding a White House commission on health policy that merely 15% of medical procedures have been reported to be supported by any documentation and Dr. Rosner cited a 1991 British Medical Journal article written by R. Smith entitled, Where is the wisdom: The poverty of medical evidence" (see: http://www.fcer.org/html/News/whccamp.htm ). |
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Mangetout
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Joined: 03 Feb 2003
Posts: 695
Location: The Kingdom Of Butter
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| Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2005 1:42 pm Post subject: |
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| I'll repeat what I said earlier; it's not the fact (or even the right or wrong) of the corporal punishment, it's the obvious glee with which it was carried out, and boasting about it afterwards. |
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Cubist
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Joined: 13 Jan 2004
Posts: 353
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| Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2005 4:20 pm Post subject: |
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| moses's_bulldog wrote: | TO: ALL
I have to leave for work soon but... |
...not before dashing off a 300+ word essay. Once again, MB's (a) behavior, and (b) stated goals & priorities, do not go smoothly together... |
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Erasmus
Lion King
Joined: 27 Jan 2004
Posts: 1047
Location: Australia
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| Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 3:58 am Post subject: |
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| moses's_bulldog wrote: |
I do not believe psychology is not the only health care discipline with dubious practices. |
[  ]Yeah, let's burn all the doctors and their heathen medical texts. They'll never get any better. Bring back Biblical medicine, the birch, and hair shirts - let's hear it for an end to evil atheistic kidglove liberal modernity![/ ] |
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Nasa from C.T.
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Joined: 10 Jul 2005
Posts: 12
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Lies.
What is a Lie?
What is Truth?
An Accident? |
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skiddum
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Joined: 25 Jan 2005
Posts: 374
Location: FL
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| Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 9:24 am Post subject: |
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| Nasa from C.T. wrote: | Lies.
What is a Lie?
What is Truth?
An Accident? |
Can you have one single lucid, intelligent conversation? Or can you only spew forth this vomit everywhere you go? Can you only present a caricature of evolutionary theory as an equivocation with "accidentally everything from nothing"...
I think you know that this isn't at all what we are discussing, but you are simply too afraid to attack or to stand behind anything but a straw man because you know the weakness of your own case. You know better than to really DEBATE anything, especially evidence...so all you can do is rant/preach/spew forth straw men...
You're pitiful, honestly...
(edit in bold)
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Arthwollipot
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Posts: 1009
Location: Australia
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| Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 6:20 pm Post subject: |
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| moses's_bulldog wrote: | I don't know any creationist who is a big reader of Hovind or remotely a fan of his. If Hovind wrote a book I am not aware of its existence.
I think the evolutionist are wasting their time with Hovind commentary. |
I think that may be the most sensible thing you've posted so far, MB. |
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Mangetout
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Joined: 03 Feb 2003
Posts: 695
Location: The Kingdom Of Butter
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| Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 10:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Nasa from C.T. wrote: | Lies.
What is a Lie?
What is Truth?
An Accident? |
Hi Nasa and welcome to the board.
Please explain what relevance has your comment above to the thread topic. |
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Erasmus
Lion King
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Location: Australia
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| Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2005 3:34 am Post subject: |
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| Mangetout wrote: | | Nasa from C.T. wrote: | Lies.
What is a Lie?
What is Truth?
An Accident? |
Hi Nasa and welcome to the board.
Please explain what relevance has your comment above to the thread topic. |
That's really low and nasty, mangetout. You know very well the difficulty nasa has in explaining relevance. Naughty, naughty. |
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polarcap1
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Joined: 16 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2005 6:24 am Post subject: hovind whipped |
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I've never heard of Hovind before but I'm sticking with my first impression,he's an idot.I grew up in a Christian family and was never whipped,never beaten.I agree,spanking aside, the reason for this man whipping his child is dead wrong.First the child wasn't disobedient,he was fearful.All he taught that boy was fear of him that will turn to hate for his father and the church and God in the end.I'd have no problem calling child services on this guy.Clearly the wrong one got whipped!
Erasmus I think its clear that the woman was being put to death.Jesus says to the bystanders "you without sin..." Are you making a debate here or just being humerous?Haven't been here long enough to know your humor. |
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Trinity
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Joined: 15 Jul 2005
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Location: Kingdom of God
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| Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2005 7:56 am Post subject: |
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This is a real interesting thread.
Does anybody posting in this thread have any idea what the context of the statement was?
Does anyone here have an inkling why this statement was made?
Does anybody here actually think, that Hovind, you, me, or anyone else actually takes pleasure in disciplining their children? Can you really make a case for that?
Do you actually believe that he presumably does takes joy in whooping the snot out of his children just because he is Christian fundalmentalist?
Just wondering. |
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Coragyps
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Location: West Texas, USA
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| Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2005 9:45 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Does anybody here actually think, that Hovind, you, me, or anyone else actually takes pleasure in disciplining their children? |
Hovind makes his living by talking/writing (and by evading taxes, but that's another story.) He's pretty good at the word-manipulation game, at least in parts of his target market - it puts food on his table, at a minimum. I wouldn't imagine that he'd deliberately convey such glee at whuppin' his kid as that article shows unless he did get some amount of a kick out of it.
Of course, any of Hovind's mental processes I've been able to trace, other than profit-driven ones, are pretty much beyond my comprehension. |
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Trinity
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| Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2005 9:59 am Post subject: |
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I wouldn't imagine that he'd deliberately convey such glee at whuppin' his kid as that article shows unless he did get some amount of a kick out of it. |
So, does that mean you don't know the setting or context in which this message was given... or have any other details other than it was on some seemingly obscure blog dedicated to bashing Hovind? |
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Coragyps
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Location: West Texas, USA
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The passage is apparently from a transcript of a sermon DrDino delivered - "Unmasking the Lies of Evolution" or some such. I've seen it at several places on the 'net in the last few years.
What context or setting can you provide that would make it more OK for him to convey the story the way he did? I'd love to know. |
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